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As we wait in joyful hope, it’s time for our year-end gift to you, highlighting a few memorable moments from this year’s Think. Pair. Share. conversations, as we talked all things modern education with some of the best minds—and hearts—in the field. Thank you to our listeners, the team at the Institute for Educational Initiatives and the Alliance for Catholic Education, and of course to our guests: Fr. Nate Wills, CSC, Kati Macaluso, Alec Torigian, and Taylor Kelly. We look forward to continuing the conversations in 2024!

Taylor Kelly: Education, Joy-filled.

From following in Rev. Edward Sorin, C.S.C.'s clarinet playing footsteps, to leading others in the mission to educate by embracing one's belovedness and radiating it out to a world in need

Think. Pair. Share. Taylor Kelly

Taylor Kelly, an associate director of the Institute for Educational Initiatives at the University of Notre Dame, discusses her role walking alongside others as they discover their capacity for human flourishing and spreading joy to others, as well as, the Laetare Medal, the Holy Half Marathon, and being a member of "The Oldest Band in the Land."  

Alec Torigian: Education, Shepherded.

From Fr. Ted Hesburgh hand-in-hand with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to providing radical accompaniment, opportunity, and formation to students, in order to help enable their fullest flourishing

Think. Pair. Share. Alec Torigian

Alec Torigian, national coordinator for ACE's Pursuing Achievement Through Higher Education initiative, discusses his role walking with middle to high school aged students on their educational journey while working in concert with the Church to close the opportunity gap in this country, as well as ultimate frisbee, Larry Bird and the Intentionality Brothers, and regilding or "regoldenizing" the Golden Dome.  

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Kati Macaluso: Education, Devoted.

From the Grotto and St. Bernadette to Breen-Phillips Hall and Coach Leahy, envisioning a future for Catholic schools that fully integrates faith formation with the disciplines, increases academic rigor, and deepens clinical partnerships for the betterment of all students

Think. Pair. Share. Kati Macaluso

Dr. Kati Macaluso, the academic director for ACE Teaching Fellows, discusses her new role working alongside faculty in service to teachers who said yes to bringing young students to wholeness in the image of a God who loved them into being, as well as dorm trivia and Notre Dame's unofficial G.O.A.T. leprechaun. 

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Fr. Nate Wills: Education, Blended.

From seminary life in Old College and full house Masses at Keough Hall, to leading team prayer in the storied locker room of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish

Think. Pair. Share. Fr. Nate Wills, CSC

Fr. Nate Wills, CSC, director of the Alliance for Catholic Education’s Blended Learning Initiatives and faculty in the Mary Ann Remick Leadership Program, discusses his vocation within a vocation, empowering Catholic school teachers and leaders to use the tools of technology for greatest impact, as well as hearing the Pope’s call in person, ND fun facts, and chatting with Delilah.

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Think. Pair. Share. hodgePOD 22

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Our year-end compilation of a few fun and memorable moments from this year’s conversations, as we talked all things modern education with some of the best minds—and hearts—in the field. Thank you to our listeners, the team at the Institute for Educational Initiatives and the Alliance for Catholic Education, and of course to our guests: Fr Lou DelFra CSC, Nicole McNeil, Nikhit D'Sa, Katy Lichon, John Staud, Fr Joe Carey CSC, Kate Schuenke-Lucien, Matt Kloser, Andrea Christensen, Will Newkirk, and Gina Svarovsky. We look forward to continuing the conversations in 2023!

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Gina Svarovsky: Education, Broadened. 

From Thanksgiving family traditions like tropical turkey, secret stuffing, and pleasant pumpkin rolls, to becoming agents of change by building empathy and designing pathways through STEM and engineering to make the world better

Think. Pair. Share. Gina Svarovsky

Dr. Gina Svarovsky, founding faculty director of the Center for Broader Impacts and associate professor in Notre Dame’s Center for STEM Education, discusses feeling empowered by the engineering design process to research, discover, and build solutions, as well as gears as art forms, raccoons as pets, and gratitude at Thanksgiving.

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Will Newkirk: Education, Affirmed.

From jack-o-lantern tales and top-o-the-chart treats, to the authentic power of truth and healing in the indigenous experience

Think. Pair. Share. Will Newkirk

Will Newkirk, the director of the American Indian Catholic Schools Network, discusses standing together as co-conspirators of hope—at the intersection of Indigenous culture and Catholic identity—looking to the future by witnessing, sharing, and celebrating stories, as well as candy corn’s mixed upside and Star Trek’s spooky role in Halloween.

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Andrea Christensen: Education, Motivated.

From coffee ice cream and hoagies, submarines, or po’boys, to how designing instruction that optimizes motivation over memorization in the classroom also optimizes learning

Think. Pair. Share. Andrea Christensen

Dr. Andrea Christensen, the director of Education, Schooling and Society, shares why teaching her students is the privilege of her life and how we all have a role to play in affecting positive change in schools, as well as, celebrating punctuation marks, talking like a pirate, and wishing every day was National Literacy Day.

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Matt Kloser: Education, Discovered.

From banter, bits, and doing it all for the music and the fans, to the animating power of STEM education as a force for good in the world

Think. Pair. Share. Matt Kloser

Dr. Matt Kloser, founding director of the Notre Dame Center for STEM Education, shares how “The Story of Science” is an unfinished narrative we can all help write, as well as S’more Than Coffee, playing tennis with John McEnroe, and closing out the show on keyboards with Bruce Springsteen.

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Kate Schuenke-Lucien: Education, Accompanied.

From summertime foods, frisbees, and exploring Chicago’s Pilsen neighborhood, to the transformational power of finding the “secret sauce” at St. Procopius and all Catholic schools

Think. Pair. Share. Kate Schuenke-Lucien

Kate Schuenke-Lucien, the director for Haiti in the Global Center for the Development of the Whole Child, shares how the universality of loss connects us and how being a voracious and joyful reader animates her work building resilient child development and education systems that draw on the three pillars of Haitian society: the home, the school and the church, as well as being an aspirational vegetarian, and the fine culinary rivalry between a Chicago and Wisconsin (hot) dog.

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Fr. Joe Carey, CSC: Education, Accompanied.

From handmade Father's Day gifts and the origin stories of "Cup of Joe" and FJ's cookies, to the fine art of welcoming people on the journey and building community for all

Fr. Joe Carey, CSC

Fr. Joe Carey, CSC, the chaplain for the Alliance for Catholic Education, discusses being called to love everyone he meets and serve others in the imitation of Jesus; listening, affirming, and helping people along the way, as well as being related to the Gerber baby, the secret ingredient in his famous cookies, and laying the groundwork for a rom-com vs Disney showdown. 

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John Staud: Education, Renewed.

From graduation trivia and Roberto Clemente, Jerome Bettis and all things Pittsburgh athletics, to leading the revitalization of Catholic schools

John Staud

Dr. John Staud, the executive director of the Alliance for Catholic Education program discusses choosing hope and the example of Christ and the body of Catholic Social Teaching as the radical animating principle guiding the work of ACE, as well as, laurel berries, mortar boards, and listening to The Who and Zeppelin at ten. 

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Katy Lichon: Education, Cultivated.

From Easter traditions and proper chocolate-bunny-eating etiquette to embracing and empowering the transformative power of the Latino community within Catholic schools

Katy Lichon

Dr. Katy Lichon, Director of Catholic School Advantage and the English as a New Language Program, discusses the domestic Church and how the legacy of Catholic education can inform our future; celebrating all gifts, talents, and cultures, as well as, Easter egg hunts, rolls, and what can happen when you give a mouse a cookie. 

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Nikhit D'Sa: Education, Ventured.

From St. Patrick and his feast day to five-day cricket extravaganzas and adopting a human-centered approach to research application in the lived experience of children and teachers

Nikhit D'Sa

Nikhit D'Sa, Assistant Professor and Senior Associate Director for Research at the Global Center for the Development of the Whole Child discusses social emotional learning, teacher wellbeing, and the role of play in low-resource and fragile contexts, as well as, corned beef and cabbage, four-leaf clovers, and the Emerald Isle. 

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Nicole McNeil: Education, Multiplied.

From The Shamrock to The Dome, traveling a providential path to understanding how children learn and what role education plays in the development of a just society

Nicole McNeil

Dr. Nicole McNeil, professor of psychology and Director of the Education, Schooling, and Society program considers the science behind children's cognitive development and the duality of the power of education to change people's lives. 

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Fr. Lou DelFra, CSC: Education, Uplifted. 

From Philly soft pretzels and New Year's celebrations to the essential role of lay people as Agents of Spirituality in our Church

Fr. Lou DelFra, C.S.C.

Fr. Lou DelFra, CSC, faculty member and Director of Pastoral Life for the Alliance for Catholic Education, reflects on ACE as a movement of the Holy Spirit and its culture of discernment, as well as middle schoolers as litmus tests for relevancy and celebrating Catholic Schools Week with a joyful and boisterous racket.

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hodgePOD 21: Year-End Compilation. 

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A year-end compilation of just a few of the fun and memorable moments from our inaugural year conversations. Thank you to our listeners, the team at the Institute for Educational Initiatives and the Alliance for Catholic Education, and of course our guests: John Schoenig, Chrissy Trinter, Ernest Morrell, Neil Boothby, Maria McKenna, Kevin Baxter, Kristin Valentino, Mark Berends, Luis Fraga, Anna Haskins, Chloe Gibbs, and Mike Macaluso

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Mike Macaluso: Education, Animated. 

From reflections on being the Notre Dame leprechaun to inspiring lifelong, engaged readers

Mike Macaluso

Dr. Michael Macaluso, faculty member of the Alliance for Catholic Education and fellow of the Institute for Educational Initiatives, explores the implications literacy has on how we understand and therefore interact in the world, the origins of the new Alexandria Award, as well as his thoughts on a zombie apocalypse, mistaken lyrics, and DC versus Marvel comics. 

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Chloe Gibbs: Education, Invested. 

From apple picking and pumpkin patches to community building and examining the economics of education in pursuit of better outcomes for disadvantaged children and families

Chloe Gibbs

Dr. Chloe Gibbs, Director of Notre Dame's Program for Interdisciplinary Educational Research (ND PIER) and Assistant Professor of Economics, discusses the importance of rigorous, relevant, and impactful policy research as the critical foundation in deciding which interventions and social programs are worth the investment to her thoughts on superstitions, bobbing for apples, and Halloween candy outliers.  

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Anna Haskins: Education, Reconsidered. 

From stamp collecting and favorite numbers to examining how the education system, the family, and the criminal justice system connect and interact—both preserving and mitigating social inequality

Anna Haskins

Dr. Anna Haskins, Associate Professor in Sociology and the Center for Research on Educational Opportunity (CREO) considers the role of schooling in society, the long-reaching consequences of parental incarceration on children, and the eternal debate between talking and texting and peeps versus circus peanuts.

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Luis Fraga: Education, Dedicated. 

From illuminating the artistic side of a political scientist to two-way immersion and empowering and serving communities of understanding and tolerance

Luis Fraga

Dr. Luis Fraga, Director of the Institute for Latino Studies at the University of Notre Dame, reflects on the transformative nature of Catholic Education and the potential lasting legacy of building diverse communities of understanding and tolerance, as well as the adventures of family road trips and being a grandfather again.

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Mark Berends: Education, Vitalized. 

From imagining running the Olympic 1500m to galvanizing the hearts and minds of those who believe in the power of education

Mark Berends

Dr. Mark Berends, Director of the Institute for Educational Initiatives at Notre Dame, talks about looking forward while reflecting on the incredible dedication and spirit of hope that strengthens and sustains the mission to positively affect children in Catholic schools, as well as his thoughts on Etch-a-Sketch and the significance of being a "tailender."

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Kristin Valentino: Education, Analyzed. 

From daring to compete as a race car driver to discovering how the transactional nature through which children's interactions with their family, community, and culture can shape the course of their development

Kristen Valentino

Dr. Kristin Valentino, Director of the William J. Shaw Center for Children and Families and a Professor of Psychology at Notre Dame, discusses the integration of biological, psychological, and environmental factors that impact parent-child relationships in overcoming adversity and achieving overall well-being, as well as her days in the ROTC and why her favorite of the Seven Dwarfs will surprise you. 

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Kevin Baxter: Education, Committed. 

From contemplating a guitar duet with Bruce Springsteen to leading the charge for thriving Catholic schools across the United States

Kevin Baxter

Kevin Baxter, Director of the Mary Ann Remick Leadership program at Notre Dame, shares some thoughts about the intangible aspects that make Catholic schools so special, leadership as vision, strategy and tactics, as well as his reflections on silly fears and big family moves.  

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Maria McKenna: Education, Unified. 

From the origins of Sesame Street and Photovoice, to the pedagogy of vulnerability, to equity, inclusion, and diversity as foundations of education

Maria McKenna

Maria McKenna, Associate Professor of the Practice in the Department of Africana Studies and the Education, Schooling, & Society program at Notre Dame discusses youth empowerment, equity, inclusion, and diversity as foundations of education, as well as her stand on cereal as soup and why she doesn't want to live forever.  

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Neil Boothby: Education, Engaged. 

From dreaming of mastering Creole overnight to learning through doing and creating sustainable pathways out of adversity for children and youth

Neil Boothby

Neil Boothby, Director of the Global Center for the Development of the Whole Child at Notre Dame and an internationally recognized expert and advocate for children in adversity around the world explores inward vulnerability and outward resilience, the "conspiracy of goodness," his weakness for Lay's potato chips, and the perks of having a time capsule.   

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Ernest Morrell: Education, Empowered. 

From Beowulf and hip-hop to the power of literacy transforming lives and changing the world

Ernest Morrell

Ernest Morrell, Director of the Center for Literacy Education, Coyle Professor of Literacy Education, and faculty member in the English, and Africana Studies Departments at Notre Dame, discusses the power of literacy, the limitless potential children, and being a night person all while having Michelangelo and Raphael painting in his garage.    

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Chrissy Trinter: Education, Energized. 

From the delicacy of ice cream to the intersection of mathematics and Catholic Social Teaching

Chrissy Trinter

Chrissy Trinter, Associate Professor of Mathematics Education of the ACE Teaching Fellows and in the Notre Dame Center for STEM Education, share some thoughts on mathematics and Catholic Social Teaching, her passion for students' human flourishing, Star Wars, and why you won't see her singing karaoke any time soon.

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John Schoenig: Education, Inspired. 

From handy super powers to the origins of school choice in America

John Schoenig

John Schoenig, ACE's senior director of teacher formation and education policy, shares some thoughts on why school choice matters, Catholic education in light of the pandemic, and how Jack Nicholson and Prince left a stamp on his childhood. 

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